Being Modern without being Western…is it possible? – by Eleni Birhane. The North Star Reports: Global Citizenship and Digital Literacy, at NorthStarReports.org and facebook.com/NorthStarReports
A common issue that most developing, non-Western countries are grappling with is finding a way to incorporate the current sense we have of “modernity” into everyday life without losing the very distinctly non-Western identity they have. Since “modern” has become synonymous with Western, it is difficult to distinguish what is fundamentally culture and what is necessary for development. So is it possible for these non Western countries to design their development trajectory so that it includes all the economic, technological and political progress without adopting the actual cultural-ideological systems in which they exist in the West?
There is evidence that would suggest that both options are plausible and currently occurring around the world. Through the influences of media (mainly Hollywood and the internet) and the dominating political and economic forces of the United States and the European Union most other countries are left with an overwhelming pressure to conform to the Western mode of existence. On a larger scale we see that some of these countries, especially those that have been colonized, even from conception had the idea of nation states and borders (in the sense that we think of them now) imposed upon them. The political and economic models adopted (and encouraged through targeted aid and international organizations) by these countries to survive in a world where they had no time to orient themselves took away their ability to organically and naturally work through the needs of their society and establish a system that can function with their many unique cultures. Not only does this process of global imperialism have the power to affect the way people in these countries live their everyday lives (what language they learn, the role models they look up to), but it can also be seen as a possible cause for the constant state of chaos most of these countries seem to be stuck in.
On a smaller scale we can also see people from these countries (especially the youth) immersing themselves in Western popular culture and in some ways ignoring/forgetting the rich and beautiful ones they have so close to them. Global popular media, by setting so called trends and the scars of colonization that have caused a deep and internalized inferiority complex within people come together to create the seductive attraction to the West people seem to experience. Of course the lack of comprehensive understanding of their own culture (which might not necessarily be their fault), the Western culture and history can feed into the choices made by people. If people and especially the youth seem to be moving in this direction, are we then in danger of losing these precious cultures?
On the opposite end we find a country like China that has been trying very hard to reject westernized models and ideas and have been relatively successful, although the economic and social sectors are less so. All of this, of course does not mean to imply that the people in the West have not been affected (although on a smaller scale) by the rest of the world in different realms of their life. In the increasingly globalized world we live in today it is almost impossible to have a country that is not somehow influenced by the foreign nations (North Korea might be a peculiar exception).
The answer for developing countries that are dealing with globalization and the other global imperial and colonial forces mentioned above does not involve figuring out a way to completely isolate and preserve cultures as they are, but finding a way to incorporate certain ideas and concepts without completely abandoning their own identities. We can find examples of this happening in different countries as well. In Ethiopia for instance there have been movements in the fashion industry to integrate traditional clothing with western fashion trends. They use the same fabric/patterns and design them to also follow popular fashion trends. Another simple example would be the way we eat. Traditionally everyone at the table would eat from one big plate, but now it is more common to eat from individual plates. All of our food is eaten by hand; that is something that has not changed. Large scale changes in our political and economic systems will be very difficult, but if the state is anything like the individual (Plato’s philosophy) we know that it is possible.
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43 responses to “Being Modern without being Western…is it possible? – by Eleni Birhane. The North Star Reports: Global Citizenship and Digital Literacy, at NorthStarReports.org and facebook.com/NorthStarReports”
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I loved this article, it brought out many ideas that I personally have not thought about, and I would also guess many Americans and westerners as well. As we believe our ideas are new and from our part of the world, when in reality everything we do takes in outside influences.
The first point that I enjoyed was how you brought up that “it is almost impossible to have a country that is not somehow influenced by the foreign nations.” I think this is something we especially as Americans should take into account, our culture is constantly being influenced by outside forces, specifically trends of foreign countries. So can you be modern without being western, I think that is possible if you take into account the western influences and that you aren’t necessarily western just because you have that influence.
This article was really well written thank you for sharing. I really like how you showed the larger and smaller scale of the issue instead of just providing one side. I agree with you when you say that every country is influenced to some extent from foreign nations. You did a great job at laying it out in a way that is easy to understand but also delves deeper into what is actually happening. Do you think eventually North Korea will become somehow influenced as well?
Eleni, thank you for this very well done report on the phenomenon and idea of nations being modern without the Western culture. To be “modern” is a term that, in my opinion, is very subjective. Modern to what? Be definition, modern simply is defined as “relating to the present or recent times as opposed to remote past.” In this case, modern is simply a time period that differs from tradition. Based on this concept, I believe that yes, it is very possible and common for nations that fall under Eastern culture to be modern. What differs between Western and Eastern culture are the heritage of social norms, ethical values, traditional customs, belief systems, political systems, and other technological advances. Both of these societies practice these concepts, but at different rates. It may seem that Western culture is “more modern”, however, I believe it is just the speed of change Western cultures are experiencing compared to Eastern cultures that makes it stand out. I believe this trend is based on the role of religion. Western civilizations are falling closer and closer towards a secularist society, which are creating cultural norms that differ from tradition values. Eastern civilizations, I believe, reflect social norms that continue to fall closer with traditional religious values, creating a less “modern” feel. Yet, Eastern societies are still modernizing.
This article is immensely interesting. I have long been intrigued by the impact of colonialism and western influence. Even so, there is a lot that I find difficult to process due to my western upbringing. However, this piece really helps identify some surface level and some deeper ideas about the issue. One typical trend I am interested in is the shift from eating off one plate versus individual plates. I wonder how that has impacted mealtime dynamic? I think sharing one plate creates a more intimate community eating experience. I am interested in hearing more of what you think about this.
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I like the examples you give in this article about the fashion trends and the ways we eat as things are changing and being modified to make things more modern. Also, when you said “finding a way to incorporate certain ideas and concepts without completely abandoning their own identities.” I think that this is an important idea as new ideas will form but they might not always be good ideas. Reflecting back on a video we watched in class about the flavored Kit Kats, I think that those Kit Kats wouldn’t taste good to use because we like the original chocolate better than a flavored Kit Kat that tastes like wasabi. Thanks for sharing!
What a thoughtful article! There have always been thoughts like these in my head, but I just have not had the chance to organize it out. You did it for me already so that is definitely a plus. While I read your article, I agreed with you on many points. I especially agree with you on the point that the children of this generation and younger are following everything they see on the internet. Whether this is good or bad, I am afraid it will become part of our reputation and history. I recently came across a video titled, “How We Met [in 2022],” and it was a very sarcastic but alarmingly true video about how a husband met his wife. In the video, we hear slang and manipulation of meanings that we often hear today on social media describing their relationship. Unfortunately, I chuckled a bit watching it, but a part of me was afraid a video just like that one would be on social media very soon. Anyway, thank you for sharing!
This is a great article. During class we often talk about finding a balance between new ideas and old traditions and habits. This can very very hard for some people because change is not something everyone is accepting to. technology usually has a lot to do with change. Even from something as simple as sending an email instead of writing a letter. Traditions are starting to change more, but we need to be careful not to misplace the true meaning behind the rituals.
Thank you for writing this piece Eleni. I enjoy how you weave the current situation, political, economic, as well as that of the culture industry in Hollywood into the historical framework of colonialism and imperialism. Although the current struggles against American and European imperialism are facing struggles that the world has not seen before, often because of our globalized world, globalization has also given people amazing tools to fight for causes they believe in. Modernizing without westernizing, I hope that more countries are able to do so in their own ways. Diversity is important, whether that be in the classroom or in global cultures.
Eleni, interesting post! I think that you brought up an interesting point. I also found this post interesting because this topic often comes up in class and is debated. We often talk in class about the constant changes and advancements in our world today and finding a way to balance it all. With every generation to come and go new traditions are incorporated and other traditions are lost. Many people want to be up in the newest and greatest, however they still want to incorporate their own identity.
Thanks for sharing, Eleni. When I think about this topic, it makes me sort of sad. Developing countries should not feel pressured to conform to the Western mode of existence and lose their culture in that transition. Culture is, I think, very important. That is what makes traveling so fun–seeing and experiencing all the different cultures. If it is not possible to to become more modern without adopting Western culture, then the world is going to become all the same and thus very boring. Traveling to new places would not really feel like going somewhere new since the culture would be the same. I’ll save a lot of money since I will not be traveling as much, but it will be very sad to lose all of that culture. However, if it is possible, then I think the world will be able to make some great advancements in the following years. Great article, Eleni!
Thanks for such an excellent article. It really left me with a lot to think about and ponder. Recently I studied abroad in a foreign country and one of the most striking things for me was how westernized the country was because I expected the culture to be much more “pure” or “well preserved”. Globalization and westernization are tough to conceptualize unless they are seen with ones own eyes, I think. Personally, I think its so vital to find the balance between a modernized but not necessarily westernized culture because that is the exact direction our society is moving in as a whole.
This is a wonderful article, that has me thinking about a lot. I have always thought of countries abroad as traditional and very cultured. However, as the younger generations begin to take over, it seems as if all they want to do is become westernized. The idea of westernization is almost depressing. Traditions and our cultures are what make individual nations unique. It is important that we continue to modernize how we live as the world ages. However, it is also good for us to keep some of our traditions for the well-being of our cultures.
We have been speaking about this struggle for a great portion of the semester in one of my classes. It is interesting that the West is always associated with modernity in it’s customs, values, etc. What is the exact definition of modernity? This gets at the core of how each individual person or group may define modernity. This piece allowed me to see another piece of the struggle in blending cultures or identifying with different cultural groups. I appreciated the examples you included about fashion and meals. What other changes do you foresee happening in the future? It is more difficult to consider what changes may occur over large spans of time. Thank you for sharing!
Thank you so much! This really has made me think back to my trip to China last year and how I did not realize westernized the country was until getting back and reflecting. It makes me sad in that people lose their culture to resort to western ways. I am nervous to see the future and to see a lack of culture and identity. Anywho, thanks so writing! Cheers!
I love this article. I love this article because it definitely changes you open on other societies. I also enjoy the question on can you be modern without being western? I like this question because it makes you stop and ponder what is modern. I think that as Americans we have gotten the false illusion that our society is right and we are thee most advanced, which causes us to look down on other cultures. I however am a history major, and enjoy the simpler times before technology when friends used to hang out and enjoy each others company. I think this report brings up a deeper question and that is what is “modern society”?
Thank you for your story. It is something how our culture and things that we do not even noticed are treasured in different countries. Many people want that “Western” way of life that we take for granted everyday. Like you said we can see this taking place in the fashion industry as well as the food industry. What I find interesting is that we take other cultures food, because Americans love food, and turn it into our own idea. For example, the Chinese rarely eat their meals with any kind of sauce. Here in the United States, our “Chinese food” is basically soy sauce with noodles. We also like to think of pineapples and ham as Hawaiian, and it is, but most of us do not know that these foods are not served on pizza, they are served with rice, which is a main staple in the Hawaiian culture. With the blending of these culinary ideas, will we see a cease in the original versions of food?
This was a very interesting article to read! I enjoyed your brief analysis of how Western culture and the want to become more modern affects smaller countries and their cultures. As an American myself, I do not always see this effect and how it goes both ways. However, I am aware that it happens. I liked how you gave examples of how countries try to incorporate modernisms and keep their own unique culture. This is a great example of how humans are adaptable, which is one of the emphasis’ of this semester. Smaller countries that figure out a good way to become more modern while continuing to keep their own culture will be the first to grow in the future, in my opinion.
Eleni, I find your post incredibly thought provoking. In one of my classes we’ve been discussing this idea a lot. I have quite a few international students in my class, so its interesting to hear their thoughts on this idea of westernization in non-western nations. It makes you wonder how much of one countries culture has been lost through westernization? It also makes me wonder if these cultures can revitalize the lost aspects of their culture. I hope that non-western nations continue to fight westernization in order to keep their own identities because that is what makes them unique and their own country.
Reading this article made me wonder what drives people to desire Western culture. I understand why people would want the wealth and health care provided in Western nations, but those things could be achieved without drastic cultural changes. I do not see the type of clothing or style of eating affecting a country’s economic success. The media is a big influence as it portrays Western culture, but what about the media’s message makes Western culture seem ‘cool’ to the younger generation? In addition, I would like to point out that spreading Western culture is not entirely “bad” or undesirable. Certain values in Western culture like democracy and more equality among people are undoubtedly being spread as well.
This title intrigues me because it questions my identity because I am proud to be Nigerian, but being so far away from my homeland has made it difficult for me to claim that part of me. From the lenses of those still back in the homeland, my identity is not clearly accepted. It is also conflicting when being here, I am viewed as a washed African when they are doing all they can to become modernized. Modernized in their perspective means to be accepted as in from the American way of living. So, to answer your question, it is possible when you are from a place, living in a place and developing as they become more modernized in their version of modernized.
It is interesting to see how Pop culture affects the styles and trends of people especially the youth. I feel it does cause an issue of taking away from the traditions of some countries that do try to modernize or become like the west, like you said. Also so many from the younger generations are going to be connected through the internet at an even younger age than we were. I feel that this could cause a lack of uniqueness among individuals who all try and wear or have what the latest online trend is. Another idea I got while reading this article is the impact other cultures have on the west also, it is seen in fashion and food that the United States has gotten inspiration from these non-western countries. This was a very interesting and enjoyable article to read.
This was a really interesting article to me! As for the food becoming more modern, I think a big part of that is due to the fact that many people from our generation really don’t know the basics of cooking, so they just get take out or throw a pizza in the oven or boil some noodles. This is really sad in my opinion especially that in the United States, we have people of different backgrounds and ethnicities all over our country with amazing culinary styles. I strongly agree with another point you made about how the younger generation is so influenced by what they see on the internet. Social media blends a lot of cultures together to the point where you don’t really know what the separate ones are anymore. In a way, the “westernized” culture is a culture in its own!
Wonderful article! Right off the bat, I think it is strange how people sometimes mistake “western” and “modern” as synonymous terms. Firstly, using the term “modern” suggests that there is a certain set of traits and ideals inherently characteristic of modernity- given the vast array of viewpoints and and lifestyles in Western society alone, I have trouble thinking such a thing even exists. (Smart phones, maybe? I would like to think the arch of history bends toward social progress, but the effort put in that direction often seems just as easily reversed.) Admittedly, my lifestyle is a western one, so it can be difficult for me to imagine being someone from a separate culture, trying to balance “western” and culturally traditional lifestyles. I know my own family stems from a long line of devout catholics, and it can sometimes be difficult to balance aspects of those traditions (while I’m no longer a member of the church, the community has left an impact on my life) with my own, so-called “modern” ideals. This article made me think, so thanks so much for sharing!
Eleni, what a fascinating evaluation of the influence of Western culture on foreign nations. Two words that I would use to describe your evaluation would be exclusive knowledge and propaganda. We truly live in a world where individuals believe that their ideas are superior, and that they are doing others a favor by spreading their ways. This can sometimes be good, but at the same time it can be detrimental to a culture or civilization. Interesting that you also talked about borders. In Professor Liang’s political science class (fall semester 2016) we talked about how borders are invented by humans and because they are conceptual (but drawn out on maps), ideas, goods, religions, and people can move across them. In a sense, Western Culture has moved across borders, but still it has not entered some nations (such as North Korea as you mentioned).
This is a wonderful article Eleni. I really enjoy the example you give when it comes to Ethiopia. Explaining the ways they incorporate western trends through clothing and eating was a great visual. They inhabited the trends, but at the same time kept the same colors, patterns, and food which still kept the wonderful details of Ethiopia. I understand the want for western institutions, like healthcare and other things, but I do not believe there needs to be a dramatic shift in identity. I think the big reason people are adapting the western culture is because of the things they see on social media. I think social media is definitely the root of this problem and it could be difficult to change with the way it keeps progressing. I really have not thought about this before so thank you for giving me a new view point and different ideas!
Eleni, your post really intrigued me. Before reading this, I never would have imagined this as a problem for developing countries. Since I am not familiar with this, I would have ignorantly assumed that modernizing was one in the same as becoming more westernized. Obviously I am very wrong. There is something very different from becoming more technologically advanced than forgetting your culture. Because of globalization I can not see a future where some countries hold on to their culture without being impacted by outside forces. For example, I saw a video recently about how fast food is having a huge impact on the lives of Kuwaiti people. Fast food is certainly not on their traditional menus, but because of the overwhelming reach of companies like McDonald’s and others, I would think that it is up to the people to protect their own cultures from these products of capitalism.
This article makes many good points of how Western countries like the United States and the European Union’s influence has greatly impacted these third world countries. Many of the third world countries were once under European rule in which countries like France, Britain, Belgium, and Germany controlled them. Once the European countries gave the third world countries independence, it saw many of them in chaos as they struggled to find a system to keep their country under control. These countries have many unique cultures that are not found anywhere else in the world and their beliefs help define who they are. Still, the influence of Western nations has the younger people of these nations adopting western practices and showing interest in western culture. Overall, this causes young people to lack understanding of their own culture and threatens key aspects of their unique cultures. We cannot lose these unique cultures because it helps define who we are as a species and allows humans to thrive.
I find the notion that western and modern are the same to be short sighted and slightly ignorant. I am glad that you used North Korea and China as contrasting examples, while also illustrating the importance of the western power’s economic output as an influence. English is a world trade language mostly because of this phenomenon. A question I have is what would the world look like had the roles been reversed historically, would the world still be “western” or would eastern culture be the norm? This is an important issue I would not have thought of without prompting and I am glad I am now aware.
Eleni, it seems this piece is timeless. It has been a while since I’ve read an article directly confronting the issue of Westernization and “progress.” I think it is shameful that Western cultures ignore cultural norms and ideas with regards to the modernization of other societies. There is no single solution for progress, and the definition of progress can vary widely between different groups of people, therefore making blurry the idea for Westerners when addressing different countries’ efforts to modernize. There is so much to be taken from the ancestry, culture, and traditions of other peoples that is beautiful and encompasses a gift of and to humanity. Hopefully there will be a resolution to the challenges of combining old and new traditions and practices for the sake of healthy, blossoming societies and peoples that can not only survive, but thrive as they move forward. However, the peoples of these changing cultures need to be allowed to adapt and evolve on their own, without Western influence, which means it may be best for us to watch and learn from them, rather than using our own ideas of progress as a means to condemn them.
I read this essay a while back and had it in mind during my semester in Ecuador. As a Westerner, I guess I have always seen my own culture as being “modern” as we’re always striving for the next big thing (for better or for worse).
One particular person I met in Ecuador really solidified your points. He was in his late teens/early 20’s and claimed he hated Ecuador. My friends and I met him at a trivia night where a lot of foreigners/tourists were present. He refused to speak to us in Spanish, claiming he “hated” it, and he had a peculiar interest about only hanging out with Americans and Europeans. It really upset me that Westernization could cause someone so much self loathing.
There’s never an easy answer for these types of things, but I hope a happy medium can be achieved, like you mentioned, where culture is preserved while having the benefits of modernity.
Cultural identity is important to our lives; it enriches, teaches, builds history and ancestry, and should not be erased in the wake of modernizing society. I agree with you, Eleni, that it is important not to westernize a country with a distinctly non-Western identity. Change without erasing culture is possible. For Western to believe modernization is synonymous with Westernization is for them to believe they are superior to other countries, which has been proven with colonial and imperial forces as you mentioned. That is not okay. Eleni, thank you for writing this article. It prompts the question of why Westernization is considered the norm when a country is trying to modernize.
Hi eleni! I absolutely loved your essay and I feel like you perfectly explained the significance of preserving culture and making sure that advancement does not take away from keeping the culture alive. I also feel like its important to note that although countries outside the West are being westernized and its an important issue to address, countries like Ethiopia have left an imprint in a lot of different countries as well. The non-western countries are leaving their mark in the world to, I think, ensure that their culture stays alive everywhere. I do agree also that modernity is an important part of a countries growth. Hope to read more from you eleni, this was great!
I think that this is a very interesting topic, because it is something that can be taken a ton of different ways. i do think that the cultural of the area should take precedent because that is what makes that place special. i just think that the idea that one needs to be western to advance is a bad because that takes away from the people there. There should not be one way to be a modern nation because that sets a bad precedent that one needs to conform to be seen as social up to standard. Which i think is wrong because people can reach that level in many different ways.
I thought this essay was really interesting. I think cultural identity is very important to each and everyone of us. I think it is very interesting to think about how each culture can be influenced by media. It is interesting to think about the impact of cultures changing and adapting to become more modern. It is important to encourage people to keep their “rich and beautiful” culture. Thank you for bringing up the idea of being modern without being western.
Hello Eleni, your article was very insightful for not only do you address it as a theory you also provide the praxis. Simply, becomes something that not only people think about but rather an issue that is happening in various regions. Moreover, I have to agree with you, some communities are at a risk of losing their culture in the name of modernity. The citizens of these communities believe that it is the trend to follow the ideas of the west. Additionally, I can attest to that, while visiting Kenya you can see the youth listening to western music, mimicking their fashion and changing their diet and trying not to seem so “traditional”. However, it is interesting to see some immigrants in the diaspora are resisting the force of the western ideals in which they carry out to their home country. With this, some even go out to start movements that promote the power of traditions. Therefore it is interesting to see how some groups are following the trend of the west while others are resisting its force and promoting their traditions.
I thought this was a great article and it got me to think from a perspective that I may not typically view the world from. I understand how you associate the western way of life as how we see nations that are modern. If a nation rejects the western way of life, they are seen as backwards or not technologically advanced enough to accept our way of life. In rebuttal, they may not want to be associated with western culture because they want to keep their own culture intact and base their stars and celebrities off people who are close to them. I think that many countries struggle to fight the overwhelming power of western media and to counter it with traditions and beliefs of their own. Great article!
Eleni, Thank you for sharing a piece of your identity through this article. I love that you are always willing to share your culture with others. One quote I found to be especially powerful in your piece was: “The answer for developing countries that are dealing with globalization and the other global imperial and colonial forces mentioned above does not involve figuring out a way to completely isolate and preserve cultures as they are, but finding a way to incorporate certain ideas and concepts without completely abandoning their own identities. ” I think when cultures mix there is certainly a power struggle between tradition and new influences, and I believe that this culture shift can cause a lot of concern for many people. Your article made me think of the rifts between generations even in my very white, Midwestern, American community. Younger generations are trying to incorporate older traditions while engulfing new ideas, but the older generations push against these new ideas. One example of this in my community has been immigrant rights, the older parts of my small hometown (population about 2,500) are quite anti-immigrant, while the younger generations are welcoming immigrants and have grown up around people of other cultures in the public school system. Again, thank you for sharing your ideas and making me reflect on my own culture and worldview.
Thanks for this powerful article.
In my opinion it relates to some elements in the discussion about relativism; is there something innately “good” about western cultures and societies that is worth striving for?
I think your paragraph that describes the state of most fledgling nations right after their independence raises a question that is interesting to ponder. What if these nations, with their non-western cultures, had had the opportunity of creating their own economic system and bureaucracies? Is there an alternative to today’s global capitalism as the prevailing economic model that we’ve missed out on? As you say in the article, the economic pressures of larger, established states as well as the hegemony of western culture makes it impossible for emerging nations to develop with being affected by western values and ideas.
It will be intriguing to see if China, with huge economic muscles while still trying to reject some of the western culture, can perhaps undercut this cultural hegemony as their influence of world affairs becomes larger.
Eleni, I loved reading your article about this topic. Learning about other cultures really opened my eyes about how different and also how similar other countries can be compared to the United States. A cultural change can be very difficult for most people because of the fact that the culture is all they know and changing it would change their entire lifestyle. Western culture has played a huge role in other developing countries and I think they will continue to do so in future years.
Thank you for this article. It is a very astute examination of the issue of global development. I find that the ability of non-western cultures to assimilate modern technology, in particular, is quite high. In my experiences in the middle east, it was interesting to see the molding together of the western and traditional ideas. It is sad to think how much culture that humans have “lost” due to imperialism and colonialism. Not only has it played out across the globe, but has been quite significant here in the U.S. with the destruction of indigenous cultures and the removal of cultural identity from the slaves. I hope that as our world moves forward that the drive of western consumerism will not become the new imperialism, wiping out rich and diverse cultures for the profit of the few.
You bring up some interesting points. I had not thought about “modern” becoming synonymous with “Western”, but it really has. Just because advances in technology and the establishment of political and economic models are successful in Western societies, it doesn’t mean that the rest of the world should feel pressure to do the same. Those in developing countries are losing the opportunity to be innovative in ways that are beneficial to their own people and culture. This issue reminds me of the influence of Hellenism in the 300s BCE. Hellenism was a culture of the Greeks that quickly became an international culture, influencing people from many societies. Many people accepted this culture because they thought it would raise their status or make them appear “civilized” while other groups, like the Jews, resisted it because they viewed it as “deeply immoral and threatening to their beliefs” (Tignor, 2018, p. 210). I’m seeing many similarities when comparing these two situations. While an international culture might seem to be helpful in creating unity around the world, many cultures would become lost and forgotten like you pointed out. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this.